UH-OH! BIG PROBLEM!

The Dragon Maniac · Sensual Kitty

UH-OH! BIG PROBLEM!

dumbledore · Playful Kitty

I'm not 100% informed but as far as I know, they're just discussing SOPA so far and it's not yet coming into effect. Also, before a site like this is affected, the larger sites are targeted. The internet is huge, it will take time to find all sites suspected of "piracy". I would not worry about it too much yet but take action if you can (for example in the way Wikipedia explains on the linked page).

The Dragon Maniac · Sensual Kitty

In my case, I should worry, because I'm an online college student.

dumbledore · Playful Kitty

I see... it would make things a great deal more difficult, I suppose :/

TimidNinja · Kitten

The worry, based on reading that I've done, is that the legislation is so vague that sites like Facebook and Youtube will have no choice but to clamp down on copyright material, as SOPA would hold the sites liable for infringements and allow court orders against them. This means overreactions, and it means increased strictness in allowed content. Imagine no copyright material on Youtube-- no AMVs, no Let's Plays, no proxies, no Nostalgia Critic, no hosted anime, etc etc. It doesn't matter that they're discussing it. If it comes into effect, the internet will be drastically changed, for the significantly worse.

Go look around, read about the legislation and the affect it will have on different sites. I'm only glad the Obama Administration currently opposes SOPA. It doesn't matter how long it takes for for different sites to be targeted, because they WILL be.

Maliace von Faust · Shadow of a Doubt

It is an already remarkably profitable industries attempt to become more profitable by making the government eliminate their competition rather then to reinvent their business model. There is money to be made off of the internet. They could release all of their content via internet tv sites like hulu, and have them add supported like tv and radio before them. They choose to continue using their archaic "golden age" business model, and expect the American government, and people, to enable them to never have to change. It is the opposite of what capitalism is built for.

xXKoyuki-chanXx · The Snuggly Sexy Bunnie

That is exactly why I'm against it.

Lady Silver · Apple Lover

The idea behind stopping online piracy is a very valid one, however; the main issue companies have (facebook, google, wikipedia) is that due to the vagueness in SOPA and PIPA it gives the government as well as other governing bodies (RIAA, MPAA (Music and Movie industries)) the ability to have a judge shut down or censor a website without due cause. So basically it could as simple as "Youtube is putting up clips of songs made to AMVs" thus youtube would be forced to bring down the video content or face being shut down. So yes SOPA is crap and I am constantly reading the news to keep up to date about this issue.

The Dragon Maniac · Sensual Kitty

yesterday, I heard on the news that SOPA, which I think was the one supposed to be discussed in Congress this week, didn't get passed. PIPA is scheduled to be discussed in February, so let's just keep our fingers crossed for the same result.

dumbledore · Playful Kitty

Yay for that and thanks for telling :3

The Dragon Maniac · Sensual Kitty

No problem. I just hope that the other doesn't make it either.

NuAki · Sensual Kitty

If anyone here is European, take a look a look at ACTA or ATCA.

Unforgiven · Kitty becomes a Kitten

There is no way something like sopa was going to be passed there is far to many people who actively defend the internet. anonymous alone would be pretty capable of keeping the legislation from getting passed, or at least they would be able to keep it from doing anything.

NuAki · Sensual Kitty

Anonymous has no actual power over the descision making of Congress. And it is possible for them to pass SOPA in some form eventually. They've been rehashing the same thing for years now. Hell, even with SOPA being unplugged, there is still two bills attempting something similar that the general population isn't aware of. SOPA wasn't actually the bill they wanted to pass. There was too much coverage. PIPA or Lamar Smith's bill for next year are their true bets. By trying to pass SOPA, they created a large ruckus to try to get PIPA through with as little opposition as possible. And if PIPA doesn't pass, Smith's bill will be targeting the well-being of children as the primary reason to vote the bill.

xXKoyuki-chanXx · The Snuggly Sexy Bunnie

WWe have posters all over my school opposing both SOPA and PIPA.

The Dragon Maniac · Sensual Kitty

Wow, a bill's primary reason being something that is the responsibility of parents. Come on! Parents are supposed to be responsible for what websites their children visit, not the government's, of course, the 'primary reason' may well be just insurance to make sure that the bill does get past, or, in simpler terms, it is not really the primary reason and is meant to create less opposition to the bill. Does anyone know what a red herring is? If you don't know, here is what a red herring is: it is basically bringing in a topic that is irrelevant to the primary topic. This is the definition for the logical use of the term. Lamar Smith's bill is a perfect example, supporting internet regulations and censorship with the 'well-being of children".

xXKoyuki-chanXx · The Snuggly Sexy Bunnie

II hope Europe doesn't pass ACTA. Its like a global version of SOPA.

Alexander the Darkangel · Playful Kitty

"We live in a time of revolution. We swim the silent seas of sanity gone." - Final Product, by Nevermove.

Yep. That's my opinion on it. Take it as you wish.

Chiyuri · Slave of The Strong

December 21 2012 : The day SOPA get passed.

Maliace von Faust · Shadow of a Doubt

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/248586/sopa_and_pipa_what_went_wrong.html

Yuki · Snuggling Kitty

Yes, I now, see that. Places like photobucket will probably be a thing of the past. I am not in favor of any of these bills based on all of this wide-ranged power and interpretation left to the government. I think that, that could definitely be a cause for a big mess. Quite honestly, I do not feel that big sites like Facebook, YouTube, and google would be obliterated. I believe the government officials know that, that would cause problems. I do however think that they would have no problem regulating sites, such as those, and prosecuting as they see fit. As a criminal justice major, I know that this must have something to do with an attempt to 'stop' child pornography, illegal drugs making their way into the country, and copyright issues with media. I think that it is safe to say that artists(of all kinds), movie producers, and many ordinary people get upset when people steal their work for any reason such as to make money. I think that something like PCFIPA may be necessary but having people's information stored on the Internet leads me to not being sure that it is a good attempt, however. I really do not have any good ideas as to how something like that could be implemented without the negative side effects but maybe something like having known offenders' computers logged. Something that would not infringe on ordinary peoples' freedoms and privacy and something that does not allow for such a large range of judgement, on their part. I do not think that they can be sure of the origin of a number of things on the Internet. also, who is to say that officials would not get rid of all social sites just to get rid of them? I can almost assure you, they could build a case for that. If I am missing something still, please point it out; I have just watched the video that Chiyuri provided. I will read the bill(or however it is called) later. I have been away on campus all morning.

-- Edited by Yuki on Tuesday 24th of January 2012 04:45:21 PM

Maliace von Faust · Shadow of a Doubt

This is what I posted on my facebook.

Know who your enemies are, and never ever forget the many crimes against society they would commit if we failed to stop them...

It has fallen on our generation to actively work to counter virtually every action taken by those we allow to be in power. The numbers of active protesters reach the millions, and those we are combating dare to say that we are misinformed and "disiminating disinformation" through a medium we control. They dare to say that "it’s very difficult to counter the misinformation when the disseminators also own the platform." Funny words coming from the spokesperson for the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA). I could honestly say you could apply that logic to say... Mass media news coverage? Or political talk shows? Sadly for the RIAA, the statement clearly does not apply to the internet, which is not owned by a few dozen people. Nice try RIAA, but not only do you lose this round, but the proliferation of the internet and web based culture means you will have to exercise control of speech and information if you are to prevent us from shooting you down each and every time to attempt to violate our civil rights for the sake of your profit margin, only to tell us we are too stupid to understand why it is for our own good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legislators_who_support_or_oppose_SOPA/PIPA

Maliace von Faust · Shadow of a Doubt

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The Dragon Maniac · Sensual Kitty

*jaw drops in disbelief* Now I shall start raising my dragon army. What PCIPA is trying to do is like communism or totalitarianism. Also, think about how much identity theft would happen if it was passed. Second, for ACTA, how are they supposed to determine if a file or image is copied? How are they supposed to determine what is the original? As I see it, everyone in America, and the world, copies stuff.

Yuki · Snuggling Kitty

Before I appear ignorant, in any way, I will just say that I have not had time to read this whole thing. From what I have read, I have mixed feelings. My first thought is that that could be a good thing, in the case of forensics, and it makes me happy. Does anyone know how miserably hard it is to solve cyber crimes?? That is where I am coming from when I read something about a six month computer log.
I'll read the rest later and see if I change my mind any.

The Dragon Maniac · Sensual Kitty

Not meaning to sound mean or anything, but it may also have the opposite effect, in which cyber crimes increase. Like I said earlier, it would make it easier for *cough* certain people to get into other people's bank accounts.

Yuki · Snuggling Kitty

You do not sound mean. Like I said, I have not yet read the entire thing. But I must say that with any good thing created, there will be a negative thing created. At least that is what I have always heard when it comes to new drugs(pharmaceutical) being created or for every cure found, there is another disease. I do not know if people have said that according to statistics or some other thing.

The Dragon Maniac · Sensual Kitty

You have a good point, but here's something else to think about, if these acts do get passed, think about the programs that would have to be made in order for the catalogs to be made. There are viruses out there that do this already, so internet service providers and the government wouldn't have to look very far.

Chiyuri · Slave of The Strong

Here is something for you Yuki, easy to understand video that explain the problem..

The Dragon Maniac · Sensual Kitty

and I'll give another thought, your profile pic, Yuki, would be considered against the law if ACTA is passed, because it would be considered "counterfeit" content.

Yuki · Snuggling Kitty

Thank you Chiyuri, I appreciate that. The video does not work though; may I trouble you for just the URL? Thank you again.

And I understand that, Dragon(I am afraid that I do not know how to address you; please forgive me, we shall fix this soon.), I do not know enough yet to really discuss it but I will.

Chiyuri · Slave of The Strong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzqMoOk9NWc&feature=player_embedded

Yuki · Snuggling Kitty

Counterfeit content? Interesting and irritating, indeed.

The Dragon Maniac · Sensual Kitty

yeah, especially since it effects all of the most well-known sites: google, facebook, yahoo, etc. In fact, it effects the whole internet, even us!. It particularly effects me because I am an online college student, and I have a HUGE digital dragon picture collection.

Chiyuri · Slave of The Strong

*Has huge Cute Only Female Character picture collection.*

Maliace von Faust · Shadow of a Doubt

I reiterate, those two bills failed because of massive protest, and their new tactic was to propose two new ones with different names. I posted the info above. Please read it. They are hoping you wont hear about them before they pass them. Prove them wrong.

NuAki · Sensual Kitty

Lol, the problem with ACTA is ninenty percent of first world countries have already signed it, including the US and Canada.